วันพุธที่ 13 พฤษภาคม พ.ศ. 2552

Air Traffic Control: I'm taking flying lessons and everything is going OK apart from communicating with ATC.

วันพุธที่ 13 พฤษภาคม พ.ศ. 2552
Advice needed to help remember and read back ATC instructions. Sometimes I clearly hear ATC instructions, then my mind goes blank or the read back is back to front, words added and/or missed out in the reply. Does anyone know a method that I can use or learn to use to improve ATC communications and remembering the numbers quoted my ATC?

The answer that helps me the most will definitely get my best answer vote!


Just remember, they want the same information with every call up:

Your aircraft

Your location

Your intentions

When you reply to their instructions, it is usually a simple readback of just what you asked for:

"Smithtown ground, Cessna 1234T at transit parking, ready to taxi with Alpha."

"Cessna 1234T, Smithtwn Ground, taxi to rwy 26".

"Taxi to rwy 26, 34T."

(Remember, after the initial callup, you can use the last 3 letters/numbers of you N-number only.)

If the controller adds extra information, keep a pen handy to write it down as they say it so you don't forget:

"Cessna 1234T, Smithtwn Ground, taxi to rwy 26 via Hotel Bravo & Juliet."

Quickly jot down H,B,J (taxiways) as they give you your clearance so you can read them back without error.

"Taxi to rwy 26 via Hotel, Bravo & Juliet, 34T."

Try to anticipate what they are going to tell you. Whether you are taxiing or enering the pattern with an initail call up, the same basic things are usually said repeatedly.

My pal who works TRACON and is a Safety Counselor says it's really easy to be so quick in the reply if you are saying the same thing repeatedly all day long, so controllers can just rattle it all off so easily. As a pilot as well, he understands how easy it is for a newbie to get 'radio fright'. His tips for radio confidence from his seminar include:

-Keep it simple. State the 3 things above. Write who, where, what down on a piece of paper on your a yoke clip or knee board so you can look at the words in case your mind goes blank mid transmission. Be sure to jot down frequencies, navigation points or taxiways when ever they are issued so you don't forget until you become more comfortable.

-Admit you are a student pilot! They will cut you some slack. "Smithtown ground, Cessna 12345 at transit parking, ready to taxi with Alpha. Student pilot."

-Get some FREE 'radio instruction' by listening to ATC. You don't have to buy any special aids to help you get the hang of it. Simply spend some time listening to live ATC on the internet (or on a VHF radio while at the airport). Try:

http://www.liveatc.net

http://www.thetracon.com/links/linkLIVE.htm

http://www.landings.com/_landings/pages/live-atc.html

-Read over the pilot controller glossary so you know the language. Check it out FREE on the net here- http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/PCG/INDEX.HTM

Eliminating wordiness and keeping your transmissions short and to the point not only helps you out but it sounds like you really know what you are doing (even if you don't have much radio confidence to begin with).

"Smithtown Traffic, Cessna 1234T is entering on the 45 for a right base, rwy 24, Smithtown"

NOT like this: "Smithtown traffic, I am Cessna 1234T and I am going to be entering on the 45 to make a right base for a landing on rwy 24, Smithtown Traffic*"

*Re: Uncontrolled fields- "Smithtown traffic" is who you are addressing your transmissions. When you end it, you state the name of the airport ("Smithtown") ONLY! You do NOT end it with "Smithtown traffic".

After a bit of evesdropping and a bit of practice, you should be a pro!

I used a software program called Comm 1. It helped me practice without getting in trouble for messing up! ; )

happened to all of us. i began flying out of a class C at an international airport. very intimidating.

there is no over night fix for mike fright. it just takes some time to get used to hearing the cadence of ATC and knowing how to respond. you'll get it...be patient.

there are a couple of software packages that you can purchase that can simulate ATC and require you to verbally respond. i have never used them but a korean guy i know swears by them. they are availible in both vfr and ifr packages. not sure of their name but just looking in sportys pilot catalog.

Hey! Well done you! Learning to fly is a cool thing.

Firstly, every pilot has been in your shoes, even now with thousands of hours, i still occasionally muck-up!

It will come to you with experience. As the other guys will tell you there are a selection of programmes you can use to help.

My biggest piece of advice as an instructor as well. Write it down! Prepare for what you want to say, and scribble down what they read back to you! If you don't get it the first time, then say "say again!"

All the best to you.

It does happen to everybody, it's the same as learning a new language "lingo" there are Cd's that can be bought for VFR and IFR I've never listened to either so I can't say how well they work. the biggest thing that helped me was a handheld radio or scanner and listened in on freq. at home and in car where ever I could and you pick up on it by association once you get it down it seems to stay with people pretty well. you get to hear alot of different peoples real world shortcuts and decide what sticks with you the best or a combination of phrases.

first of all, congrats on learning to fly. what an exciting adventure!

secondly, yes, we all go through it, and before you know it you'll have the hang of it. do you have an airport nearby that has an area where they broadcast their transmissions and you can listen? i learned at fxe (ft. lauderdale exec) and they had a place to listen. just hearing people communicate will get it in your mind.

also, just know that you'll always need to convey: 1)who you are, 2)where you are, 3)and what you want. so have on your yolkclip your N#, know where you are (sounds easy enough, but write it down, if necessary), and think beforehand what you want. do you want to turn, descend, asscend, etc. when they are talking to you, chances are, they want to know pretty much the same information. have a pencil and several scatch pieces of paper on your yolk clip, if necessary.

if you're flying in and out of smaller airports, they tend to be more patient, too. (but not necessarily! haha!). when i was learning to fly, (and when solo especially), i would state: N____, student pilot. Once you've told them that, they will be more compassionate.

Also, know thougholy the phonetic alphabet and the "lingo". For example instead of saying "can you repeat that?" (which i did!), just say "say again". it may sound silly, but being consise will help you out.

lastly, once again, practice makes perfect. have your instructor (or fellow aviator) throw some potential communications at you. keep it slow and steady at first to get it right, then progress to get it better flowing.

you're gonna do great! it sounds like you want to do your best and be professional about it, which is half the battle.

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